Discoveries of The Vedic Rishis - Discoveries of The Vedic Rishis 404

Only now in recent physics — you know now physicists have found out that when you go, not to the ultimate reality, but when you go down into the matter, which is so much visible, you find that this visible becomes invisible. If you go down into matter, go down and down and down, you come to atom. Atom is not physically visible. But atom exists. Not only, they went further down into matter, and they found in atom that this matter... there is a huge structure, there is a nucleus, there is a proton, there is electron, in that small atom. And then there is a kind of a systematic motion. Electrons are constantly moving round and round and round. And then they found that there are two hundred and fifty other and many more, elements there. Then they came to the conclusion (now this is the latest), what is the nature of it, is it particle or is it wave? You know the difference between particle and wave? What is particle? Particle is... if you take a little sand, a granule, a little sand, you still feel it, something solid, somewhere some solidity is found. Now you see the wave. You have seen the waves of the ocean. Wave is something which you cannot hold. That is a speciality of it. Particle you can hold, it is something solid. Wave is something not solid. It moves out. You try to catch water in your hand, it cannot be caught, it passes away. It is a wave. Now the question is: this particle which is the smallest particle in atom is it a particle or is it a wave? It is a question which was raised a few decades ago. And now the answer of the scientists is: it is both; it is both particle and wave. It is something like it is itself and yet it is something different from itself. So with regard to reality of matter, modern physicists are now speaking the language of the Vedic Rishis. Vedic Rishis had said: it is itself, yet it has a motion in the other one. Particle stands immobile. Wave moves. It has a motion in the other one. But it is said, it is this very particle which is a wave. It is not that there are two things, there is a wave and there is a particle. No, that thing which is a particle is itself is a wave. Such is the discovery of the modern physicists.

In the light of this, now we can think and understand that the Vedic Rishis were very, very, very wise, so illumined that they had the courage to say — They knew that what they were saying, people will not easily understand and even accept. Therefore Indra says: it is adbhutam, it is strange. It is very wonderful. What I am going to tell you, you will not even easily understand. It is something which itself has a motion in another, where there is no other one. There is only one. Reality is only one. It is That which has a motion into another. And then finally it says: utadhitam vinashyati. If you try to think it out, it will vanish. It can't be thought out. It is not by thinking that you can grasp it. So Indra was telling Agastya: look, you are trying to find out the Reality by your mind. You are making a great effort, to think, to think, but that Reality cannot be thought of. You cannot grasp by thought, because it is adbhutam, it is strange, it is wonderful. It is something which is, which is not, it is that which is different from itself. It is itself, but yet different from itself. It is static, and yet it has a motion into another consciousness. Such is the Reality. If you think, he says, now you are only trying to have power of the mind, by which you try to understand. I am illumined mind. With my thousand eyes, I have seen, because I have gone beyond the mind. Therefore you should come to me. You are trying to surpass me, to overpass me, you don't care for me. Therefore I am obstructing. Not that I want to obstruct you. I am standing before you. I am obstructing, why? Because you are trying to reach that reality by your mind. But you must come to me. I am not the mind. I have gone beyond the mind. Not that I am supermind. I am not that Reality. I am not turiyam swid. But I have thousand eyes. And I know therefore that Reality very well. So I want you to come to me. (It may look egoistic) He says, you worship me. That means: you offer yourself to me, you come to me, I am like a guide to you, I am a helper to you. You will never get that reality if you don't come to me, because I am the gate. You have to pass through me. Without me how can you reach there? So he says to Agastya: You claim that you are my friend and my brother, but you don't look at me. So look at me. Make sacrifice to me, that is to say, burn yourself, throw away your mind and everything. Burn it, make an ascension, make a journey. You cannot reach that reality unless you make a sacrifice. And to make a sacrifice means you distribute yourself. You cannot make a sacrifice without distributing yourself. You want to go straight without distributing, without pouring yourself out; you don't know how to make a sacrifice. (When I am speaking to you, I am distributing myself, I am diffusing as it were, I am pouring myself, I am telling whatever I have read, whatever I have studied. Distributing myself, it is a sacrifice. It is a burning, an effort which is made, which is an upward journey). So Agastya is told: you just want to go to the reality without distributing yourself. Distribute yourself, expand yourself, give yourself, make a sacrifice. I am there, and then come to me, and I will take you to that reality. This is the path that is given in the Veda for anyone who wants to know that ultimate reality.

Now let us come to that ultimate reality. This is only a story I told you. But now let us see that ultimate reality. So to repeat, the first discovery was the discovery of the battle, battle not only between visible creatures but also between invisible. The second discovery was the discovery of the sacrifice. The third discovery was the discovery of "that fourth one", turiyam swid, of the supermind. The fourth discovery was the discovery of the ultimate reality, beyond beyond, that which is beyond beyond, -- Ultimate, Final, -- now that final reality is one without a second, -- Ekam Sat. And yet it is not simple. It is simple-complex. This is Sri Aurobindo's words. That reality is not simple, it is simple-complex. It is at once itself and other than itself. In the Veda we get therefore two names, the name of "that one" and the name of that which is different from that one. "That one" is called in algebraic language the bull. If you read the Veda, you will often find the bull. Bull always means "that one". The other one which is also itself is dhenu, -- the cow. This is one description of it. The other description is: it is he, the Supreme. There are many names of it given in the Veda. He is the hiranyagarbha, he is the golden egg, from where everything comes out. The whole world, everything that we see, is originated from it. He is Prajapati. He is the father of all the creatures. But apart from that Prajapati, there is another which is known as Aditi. Aditi, this is the one name which I would like you to remember. Aditi is the first original mother. That is to say, the original reality is the father, and mother is not different from the father, father and mother are one, and yet mother is different from father. That Aditi is the supreme mother, the original mother, and although the original reality is the same as Aditi, there is a relationship between the two. That is why it is simple-complex. Simple means that which has no relationship in it. That is the meaning of simple. Whenever you say it is simple, it means there is no relationship in it. When you say it is complex, it means there are internal relationships.  That is the meaning of complex. It is simple-complex. It has no relationship, yet it has relationships. It is simple-complex. Aditi is the one from whom everything originates. That is to say Supreme can exist without any creation. And yet when there is creation, that creation can come out only from him as Aditi. He himself is Aditi. He, without creation is He. He, with creation is He that is Aditi. That is how you can understand this relationship. Without the knowledge of Aditi, you cannot understand how the whole world has manifested. This is the fourth discovery and I will not burden your mind with so many other details, but this is simple. What I have told you is very simple and something that is not very difficult to understand.

I come to the last discovery, but that we shall do next time. Is it alright? The last discovery I shall tell you because it is a long discovery, -- the fifth discovery. It will take a long time. But if you have any question so far, you are free to ask questions. Not adults, only children. Adults are not allowed to ask questions. It is because I am only... The questions are only to be asked by you.