Simultaneously do we discover our identity also?
It is sometimes identical, sometimes simultaneous, sometimes it is one after the other, it depends upon your previous development. In some cases it may be simultaneous, it may be at once, it depends on the previous understanding, for example it is said, Sri Krishna got illumined only by one word of his teacher. As I have said earlier:
ud vayao tamasaspari jyotia pasyanta uttarao (......)
devao devatra suryamaganma jyotiruttamam... (Chhand.U.III,17,7) .
This is the words spoken by the guru Ghora to Sri Krishna and Chhandogya Upanishad says that as soon that these words were uttered by the rishi, Krishna was illumined. He came to supreme knowledge; this is what Chhandogya Upanishad says: the son of Devaki, Krishna, He heard only one word from his teacher and this is the word He heard, this verse which I recited just now and He got illumined. So, it can happen it different cases in different ways but normally it is when you enter into devotion to the Divine: when you reach the heart of the Divine then the secret of His action can become manifest, the real secret of action of the Divine, a luminous understanding of Divine's action. In fact you might say, God gives the gift when you
are absolutely united with Him, then He whispers into you, "This is my word, this is my highest action". This is why Sri Krishna, after showing to Arjuna the vi§varupadar§ana, in the ??? chapter, and the last six chapters of the Bhagavad Gita are reserved for giving the supreme word paramam vacao, the last six chapters of the Bhagavad Gita are given in order to show what happens after highest devotion is obtained, and if you want to reach highest work, the supreme secret, that comes only when you have reached the heart of God, then God's action begins really to operate.
So, till that time we are only doing Karma Yoga but we are not Karma Yogi, it is only sadhana, we are trying to find out what is divine's will. You offer the action, that is Sadhana, but you still do not know what is the Divine's action, what He does really intend, what is His command. So, Sri Krishna gives that command only at the end. But now when you give up everything, all Dharmas you give up, all ideas of duty, all ideas of laws of action, all standards of conduct, whether it is Sattwic or Rajasic or Tamasic or all kinds; this is what the last six chapters describe you all the forms of Sattwa, Rajas and Tamas, with regard to adhi' : _: hata, with regard to tsei^:-ha, with regard to Karma, with regard to everything, even sraddha, different kinds of sraddha, different kinds of dana, different kinds of tapasya, different kinds of sacrifice, all Sattwic, Rajasic, Tamasic, all the laws of conduct, having described them all, these are all processes of Karma Yoga, you do all of them but still the utmost secret is, when you go into the very heart, giving up everything into the divine, then the divine's command comes to you: "Fight". The Divine ...it is a divine obligation, not that it was his duty to fight, therefore he was to fight: that is not the answer of the Gita. Sri Krishna says that, "You have come here only with the idea to fight as a Kshatrya, you are in conflict because you find that this idea of duty is colliding with another higher idea which you have; both of them are lower actually. It is only when you go to the heart of God that what is to be done is revealed to you and you do it, that is the highest obligation, the divine obligation, that transcends all sense of duty, it is to be done because God wants to: you are a servant of God, slave of God, what He wants that is to be performed." That is the supreme condition to which the Gita leads us ultimately.
So, I have described to you what I can say is the core of the teaching of the Gita. The entire argument, what steps Sri Krishna leads us to this, is itself a marvel and it is a tremendous study by itself. But I had not intended to speaks of this, I have only promised that I would go to the end of this point and the core of the teaching, I have said only the first four chapters I will deal with, and I have completed the fourth chapter today. So, I think we can now close this series and we shall see later on, if some more is to be done. All right?
Question:... Gods answers to do some things, and if it collides with our relation with God, and......, the duty which man has to do is to understand.... God?
That is to say, even what we have to do as a duty, ultimately has to be done as an offering to God, and then to discover what God wants us to do.
Question:????... God wants us to do
Answer: So, that can come only at that point.
Question: That will come later
In the case of Arjuna, it came to him, that was, "fight!" that was Sri Krishna's command at that point as far as Arjuna was concern. As far as 'we' are concerned, we have to find out again ourselves by proceeding on these lines. That is why Gita's teaching is universal; everyone can now proceeds on these lines, lines are given, the pit falls are given, and the way in which we can overcome the pit falls are also given. So, for each one has to make an effort and find out,, therefore Yoga is a living process.
Everybody has a different command of God, so everyone will be different, because everyone's relationship with God is different; so according to his relationship with the divine will be the command for him.
Question:??? ???there is not only one available????.. it is like a continuous..
Yes, Lord is really universal, so it has many aspects
Question: And it is like a continuous..
Continuous, yes, absolutely,
Question: Available every moment, Yes, quite right; alright, I think we shall stop here today.